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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:27 pm 
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Fans of classic design noticed that in Windows 7 on the classic theme does not work graphical acceleration. Drawing of the window 2D-interface deals exclusively with the CPU CPU, the GPU video processor - is not involved. This fact has turned the simplest, fastest and most comfortable classic theme - into the slowest.

Solution options:
1) Develop a classic theme with the properties of the aero-theme - then the acceleration of the GPU will be involved
2) patch the system so that acceleration on the classic theme does not turn off

There are several solutions to point 1, but none of them fully satisfies. In aero-topics there are limitations that do not allow to realize a theme that is 100% identical to the classical one.

Therefore, we appeal to the developer of "Classic Shell" with a request To study this issue and find a solution "2" - at the patch level of the system file.
PS There is information that this "disconnect" acceleration on the classic theme is in the DWM.exe file.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:35 pm 
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You can already to this on Windows 8 or newer... xd

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As Splitwirez said, one can easily use Classic theme with DWM acceleration under Windows 8 and newer. It is not possible as of now under Windows 7.

My Windows 8.1:



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:09 pm 
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Of course, we always in support of inclusion of this functionality in Classic Shell, rather than using other methods, though this is unlikely.


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Thanks for the answer. But the solution for Windows 8 - I'm not interested.
I'm looking for a solution for running acceleration in the classic theme for Windows 7


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Classic is a very 'bad' performance theme. I know that graphics performance on the desktop is worse without "Aero", because some hardware acceleration is disabled in that mode.


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felix1 wrote:
Classic is a very 'bad' performance theme. I know that graphics performance on the desktop is worse without "Aero", because some hardware acceleration is disabled in that mode.


On Win8 you can use Classic theme with hardware acceleration.


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Anixx wrote:
felix1 wrote:
On Win8 you can use Classic theme with hardware acceleration.



w8classic - This solution does not work for Windows 7.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:12 am 
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Anixx,

Is there a similar program for Windows 7?


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felix1 wrote:
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Is there a similar program for Windows 7?


No. There is no corresponding memory area on Win7, by deleting or modifying access rights to which we can trigger classic theme on Win8 and Win10.


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I think that they can use windows blinds, that would give the classic theme on windows 7 & keep gpu/hardware acceleration.


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redblade8 wrote:
I think that they can use windows blinds, that would give the classic theme on windows 7 & keep gpu/hardware acceleration.



I did not find "classic theme windows 7" for Windows Blinds.
Do you have this theme?


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Anixx wrote:
felix1 wrote:
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Is there a similar program for Windows 7?


No. There is no corresponding memory area on Win7, by deleting or modifying access rights to which we can trigger classic theme on Win8 and Win10.




The solution you proposed for Windows 8 does not work with Windows 7. Besides, the way it works with Windows 8 leaves much to be desired, because a lot of control elements do not look classically at all, moreover, the color scheme does not match the classic one in 50% of the sites.

This is some kind of perversion, not a classic interface. If you forgot how the real classic theme looks - install Windows XP or Windows 7 and get a look at these ones.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:27 am 
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felix1 wrote:
The solution you proposed for Windows 8 does not work with Windows 7.

Yes, but it's we have to offer.


felix1 wrote:
Besides, the way it works with Windows 8 leaves much to be desired, because a lot of control elements do not look classically at all,

Same deal with Windows 7, and aside from the Metro UI stuff, a lot of that can actually be fixed.

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moreover, the color scheme does not match the classic one in 50% of the sites.

That's what the included deskn.cpl tool is for ._.
Don't believe me regarding the colours? Here, have a screenshot of my desktop from when I was using the tool a few weeks ago:

(Start9 not included, obviously...I'm still working on that :lol: )


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This is some kind of perversion, not a classic interface. If you forgot how the real classic theme looks - install Windows XP or Windows 7 and get a look at these ones.

It is the real Classic Theme. If anything's a "perversion", it's the Classic Theme out-of-the-box in Windows Vista/7 - just look at all the Aero-styled bits! :lol:

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felix1 wrote:
The solution you proposed for Windows 8 does not work with Windows 7. Besides, the way it works with Windows 8 leaves much to be desired, because a lot of control elements do not look classically at all,

Which ones?

felix1 wrote:
moreover, the color scheme does not match the classic one in 50% of the sites.

What "sites" and what Internet has to do at all regarding Classic Theme?
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This is some kind of perversion, not a classic interface. If you forgot how the real classic theme looks - install Windows XP or Windows 7 and get a look at these ones.


It is real classic theme and you can use any color scheme you want, including the one from Win2000.
See also my screenshot above.


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Anixx

"sites" = "places", "locations"
Combo Box, List Box and color scheme in 50% of the interface is not classic.


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You can use any color scheme you prefer, the colors are stored in registry. If you want everything Win2000-like, you can do it.



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You don't search for 'classic theme & windows 7', the theme just has to work with windows blinds, so just search for classic theme.
Here is a windows blinds theme that has windows 95/98 classic theme, which is what you want. https://www.wincustomize.com/explore/windowblinds/8628/


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redblade8 wrote:
You don't search for 'classic theme & windows 7', the theme just has to work with windows blinds, so just search for classic theme.
Here is a windows blinds theme that has windows 95/98 classic theme, which is what you want. https://www.wincustomize.com/explore/windowblinds/8628/



Unfortunately, this theme is not suitable.
- This theme is not completed and has much bugs.
- Alas, but this style Windows 95 (elements, colors).
I need to get the classic style of Windows 7.


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I didn't notice, and still don't see the difference between the windows classic for windows 7 when it came out in 2009, and the classic theme for windows 95/98 which I linked. You can change the title bar colors in windows 7 to look exactly like the windows 95/98 theme that I linked. If it has bugs, then I suppose that it's not fully developed then. If you can change the colors in windows blinds, that'd be nice to have.


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redblade8 wrote:
I didn't notice, and still don't see the difference between the windows classic for windows 7 when it came out in 2009, and the classic theme for windows 95/98 which I linked. You can change the title bar colors in windows 7 to look exactly like the windows 95/98 theme that I linked. If it has bugs, then I suppose that it's not fully developed then. If you can change the colors in windows blinds, that'd be nice to have.

The edges of things are pure black and white in 95, but in 2K and newer, they're softer greyish shades.

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Classic Theme Windows 95



Classic Theme Windows 7


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Thanks splitwirez. It's such a small difference that I don't notice. I still don't notice the difference by looking at the pictures that Felix posted.
I'm pretty sure that you can make the titlebar have the same gradient colors as windows 7 has instead of just the blue. I know that windows 98 had that.


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If you do not understand the problem then why are you answering?
The difference between classic theme ("win95" with "win7") is obvious.


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Windows 7 AERO Classic Theme with GPU acceleration


Modifications of original classic theme with graphic acceleration
Based - "Classic AE 2.5.3" https://saarineames.deviantart.com/art/Classic-AE-2-5-3-Final-343638171
Classic_AE_ROB_v5 - Version 5 (December 14, 2017)

Complete list of modifications:
1) Added a gradient to the window title
2) The correct color of the text in the active and inactive window titles
3) Normal Tahoma-font (without ClearType)
4) The correct gray color in all elements of the interface RGB (212, 208, 200)
5) Correct TrackBar
6) Classic menu (dark blue selection + color inverting
in the white text for the highlighted item) - thanks to the patch R.O.B.
7) Animation for ProgressBar is disabled


Download theme "Classic_AE_ROB_v5":
http://my-files.ru/j6eunl
http://rgho.st/8yLfW8Spk


Install:
1) Install "UxStyle" for your Windows 7 OS (32- or 64-bit)
http://uxstyle.com/builds/UxStyle_Core_jul13_bits.zip
If UxStyle is already installed - then this step is skipped. UxStyle allows you to add third-party themes to the system.
2) Unpack the theme "Classic AE ROB v5" in the path c:\WINDOWS\Resources\Themes\
3) Go to "Personalization" and switch to "Classic AE ROB v5"
4) Restart your PC. Without a reboot, the context menus may not appear. After reboot - everything will be OK.
5) Enjoy the classic design with GPU acceleration


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I'm answering because windows classic is windows classic, and I was hoping that I could be of some use to you & try to help you.

That's awesome that you found a solution mate. =)


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Unfortunately, "Classic_AE_ROB_v5" - does not similar 100% classical theme Win7.
I search for WindowBlinds theme on 100% identical original classical theme.


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В предложенной теме "Classic AE ROB v5", к сожалению, есть проблемы из-за применения патча ROB.
Таких программ не много, но уже 2 нашлось - CorelDraw Х4 и VLC-плеер.

VLC рисует нестандартного вида меню, которое глючит из-за патча ROB,
отображая вместо меню, пустые серые полоски/прямоугольники на весь экран.
А в CorelDraw Х4 - не подсвечивается выделение на выбранной кнопке.

Для таких случаев, предлагаю вариант той-же темы, но без патча ROB - "Classic AE without ROB v5".
http://rgho.st/6XzCB7clt

C данной темой всё будет правильно работать, но к сожалению, без привычного классического вида меню.
Темно синей планки с белым текстом под выделением не будет. Цвет голубой планки можно изменить
на другой, но как было в классике - без патча не вернуть.


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Очень важная информация.

Тестируя долгое время тормозную работу классической темы, я немного заблуждался. Я считал что 100% проблем идут со стороны ОС Windows 7 - мол только она виноватая в отсутствии ускорения GPU в 2D на классической теме Win 7. Извините я ошибся! Windows 7 только на 20% виновата. На 80% тормозности классического интерфейа - виновны рукожопые программисты AMD, которые не смогли нормально реализовать функции по 2D отрисовке в своих видеодрайверах.

Читая мои посты, часть пользователей в недоумении не понимала, где же я вижу те тормоза? Мол тиринги небольшие есть, не всё так плохо.... Вообщем, если у вас видеокарта от NVidia (GeForse GT, GTS, GTX...) или интегрированная в процесор Intel - то у вас эти проблемы выражены раз в 10 меньше, чем у обладалелей видеокарт Radeon от АМД. В AMD реализация 2D начиная с 2010 года - просто полный фуфел. И за 8 лет абсолютно ничего не изменилось!

В 3D АМД-ешные видеокарты пытаются тягаться с НВидией, быть "на уровне" или проигрывать в 2 раза. То в реализации 2D АМД-дешные видеокарты проигрывают не только Нвидиевским в огромное количество раз, проигрывают интегрированным в процессор и более того - даже проигрывают своим же АМД-шным "дедушкам" - картам 10 летней давности. В компании АМД видимо осталось 3 программиста, которые как-то тянут направление 3D по играм и абсолютно пофиг на 2D.

Вывод:
Если вы работаете в классической теме Win7 с векторной графикой или САПР-пакетами, то есть вам нужна быстрая отрисовка в 2D - не устанавливайте видеокарту от AMD Radeon. Реализация 2D в них не выдерживает никакой критики и не исправляется годами!


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Эксперимент №1

Обнаружил проблему АМД драйверов в классической теме Windows 7 - крайне плохая производительность 2D. Но далее, оказалось, что при изменении границы окна или при перемещении окна - происходит резкое увеличение 2D производительности. Данный эффект можно просмотреть на видео.

В окне спектра плеера foobar2000 картинка отрисовывается медленно, линии рвутся на части картинка дрожит. Но если двигать рамку или перемещать окно по экрану - скорость отрисовки ЗНАЧИТЕЛЬНО возрастает!! Проблема наблюдается на видеокарте ASUS R7 360 2G и любой версии драйвера от Catalyst 15.7.1 до Crimson 18.4.1. На старой видеокарте HD4670 и драйвере Catalyst 13.9 этой проблемы нет и производительность в 2D режиме гораздо выше. Значит проблема появилась в период 2013-2015 год и не решилась разработчиками АМД до сих пор никак!!!

Видеозапись глюка - http://files.d-lan.dp.ua/download?file= ... 8494496178

Эксперимент №2

Благодаря форумчанину с ником Михалыч, который написал чудесную программу для тестирования 2D я наглядно покажу, что работа видеодрайверов АМД в классической теме Виндовс 7 не выдерживает никакой критики. Программа производит вывод сетки из линий черного, красного и синего цветов последовательно, потом вычисляет время отрисовки и отображает на экран. Алгоритм работы представлен на картинке - http://picsee.net/upload/2018-05-05/113e54b1f67a.JPG

Сама программа + её исходник - https://github.com/JMKh3r/2DTest/releases/tag/1.1.0.0

Смотрите сами насколько криво реализован вывод 2D в АМД драйверах. Мега крутое АМД "ускорение" проигрывает в 7 раз (!!!) встроенной в винду программной отрисовке (140 мс против 20 мс). Наверняка им драйвер пишут студенты троешники. Они линии не способны отрисовать. Позорище!!! Ха-ха-ха!!!

Видеозапись глюка - http://files.d-lan.dp.ua/download?file= ... cd5e3c7f42


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VERY LOW 2D PERFORMANCE ON AMD RADEON DRIVER

OS: Windows 7 SP1 Ultimate
Graphic card: ASUS Radeon R7 360 2G (2016 release)
Driver: Catalyst v15.7.1 .. Crimson v18.4.1 (any version)

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2D Test
Downloads (2DTest32.exe + source code)
https://github.com/JMKh3r/2DTest/releases/tag/1.1.0.0

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Results:

"Windows AERO Theme"
5..8 msec - good performance

"Windows Basic Theme" or "Windows Classic Theme"
130..170 msec - bad performance. Very low performance!

VIDEO this bug - "bandicam 2018-05-09 13-28-33-165.avi" (49 Mb)
https://fex.net/211199603972?fileId=463520324
or
http://files.dp.ua/file?source=18050914003256042469
or
https://ru.files.fm/u/q2fepmry

P.S.: In addition, on the old graphic card HD4670 (2009 release)
with Catalyst v13.9 there is no problem.


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