Classic Shell: Forum

Sad news, everyone.

After months of deliberation, I have decided to stop the development of Classic Shell.

It was a great adventure for me that lasted 8 fun and exciting years. It started back in 2009 as a simple weekend project and over time grew to be a hugely popular software brand with many millions of downloads. It was in large part due to all of you, the active Classic Shell community, that reported issues, suggested features, provided translations, developed new skins and participated in forum discussions. My thanks go to you for your continued support and encouragement.

And of course, special thanks to Gaurav Kale, who stuck with me from the early days to the end. His passion for all things Windows was instrumental to the Classic Shell success.

There were few factors that led to my decision:
1) Lack of free time. I have other hobbies that demand my time, some related to software and some not. It requires a lot of effort to add new major features to Classic Shell and keep it relevant. Even keeping it running on newer version of Windows is a lot of work. That leads me to point #2

2) Windows 10 is being updated way too frequently (twice a year) and each new version changes something that breaks Classic Shell. And

3) Each new version of Windows moves further away from the classic Win32 programming model, which allowed room for a lot of tinkering. The new ways things are done make it very difficult to achieve the same customizations

So, moving forward, I am making the latest version of Classic Shell open-source and adding it back to SourceForge (https://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/), where it all began. I encourage other people to fork it and go with it.
I will keep the MediaFire download mirror for another 6 months. The forum on http://www.classicshell.net/forum/ will stay open until the end of 2018, however I will not frequently participate in the discussions.

Update: The source code can be also found on GitHub here: https://github.com/coddec/Classic-Shell

It's like losing a good, old friend. Thanks for all your stellar work and for making Windows *way* more usable. Good luck for everything you do in the future!

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Windows 10 Pro x64

Have you thought about hosting the source on a site like GitHub or GitLab? Their UIs for tracking issues, potential contributions, and just browsing code in general are a lot nicer than SourceForge's. This would be useful if you wanted the community to take over maintaining Classic Shell and keeping it unbroken on future Windows releases in the original repository, as opposed to a "Classic Shell Community" fork or something similar.

Sad to see you go; it's been fun.

Can't you make a business model for Classic Shell? If it makes you money -- you can have motivation to do it again no?

I just wanted to say a heartfelt "thank you" for keeping it up for so long and making it in the first place. It made using Win10 acceptable for me. I use it on basically every machine I run...

I would also like to agree with bb010g's post about putting it on GitHub: It makes most things like collaborating, contributing, forking, tracking issues and more much easier.

In any case, once again thank you for making Classic Shell for as long as you did, and thank you even more for making the source available (no matter if sourceforge, github or somewhere else) and not just dropping it. Much appreciated!

Man, so sad, its a sad day, like the rest github is the day, please up it on github too, one last shot ?

Hi, I registered this account just want to say thank you, I've been use it for long time, it works great!
It looks like you are very busy, that you won't have time for this project anymore, as such, I've created an repository for this project as an tribute to your hard work, all credits goes to you.
Here's the link https://github.com/coddec/Classic-Shell

Hopefully others will continue on development of this wonderful project.

In case if you want to get it back under your name/account, just send me an email or reply to me, I think it should be able to transfer ownership of this project to you.


Thank you!



Edit:
In order to give the community a place to discuss in the future, in request of https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start/issues/7 and https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start/pull/8
I tried my best to research and come up with two places for this purpose:
https://gitq.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start
https://gitter.im/passionate-coder
Hopefully the community will retain there, unless something happen to the original schedule of this classic shell forum which we all wish I guess.

Thanks again!

it was fun ...

Thank you for your efforts.

Sad to hear. I've been using this since Windows 7. Makes Windows usable for me. Thanks for all your work!

Oh, that is too bad. I used ClassicShell on both Windows 10 PCs, because I don't like the original Windows 10 Startmenu. I also donated to you some time ago because of this great piece of software.

But well, thanks for creating such a great software and thanks also for making it open source. Maybe the community get another great software from you in the future and good luck and success in your personal life (including your other hobbies).

Hey,

I'm sorry to hear the news.. but hey, why do you not move up
the source code to github and give other the possible for make the project further..
i bet with you, the one or other programmer want support this project on github with code !

and by the way, do you know reactos.org, the (at moment) XP successor and
if the stage of xp done, i bet, goes further up to Win7 like and so on..
for this it is important to give this code on github and maybe unter gpl2
or something where it is compatible with Reactos.org

You should move it on Github
there do you not need many time, easy maybe add the one or other programmer where
have the possible to continue this project because Classic shell it's now around
of the world well known.. and hey, how many programmers on the net ?
so, what speaks against to move it up to github as gpl2 project ?

best regards
Blacky

edit: good to know to be Open-Shell on Github a reborn Software : https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

blackysgate.de

r u fuck kid me man my nigga classic shell Wuz best fam

Ok but thanks for nice program my niggaaaaaaaaa but pls to putting there's codes onto that github.

I'm willing to host the forum for posterity after the renewal period runs out in 2018, as well as the parts of the website that contribute to instructional pages for end users and developers alike. I'll keep logs from SourceForge there too, in case SourceForge goes the way of Codeplex.

The other advantage of this is that my infrastructure can perform on-the-fly checksum matching. Should a breach occur like the Classic Shell/Audacity breach of 2016, I can automatically notify developers. After going open source, this will be a whole lot more important.

Naturally, in the spirit of FOSS I will do this free of charge, permanently.

I REALLY want you go back in development because i hate StartIsBack! StartIsBack is a lot slower than Classic Shell! It makes me extremely sad that you left us. I wish I REALLY want you go back in development so badly because I really do NOT like StartIsBack! And I don't like Windows 10 start menu

About the suggestions to take Classic Shell commercially - that's not a solution for me. It has never been about the money. I have had a well-paying job in game development for years, even before Classic Shell started. The main goal was to have fun coding, to create a tool mostly for my own use (at least initially), and afterwards to support the awesome community that formed around Classic Shell.

Thanks, thx_4_the_hard_wk, for the GitHub upload. I do not need it to be under my name, since I don't have an account there. I will add the GitHub link to the FAQ page when I get the chance.
I would like nothing more than somebody else picking up the mantle and continue the development.

I am so sorry to hear this, but... you are truly a class act. Built something enormously useful to many people, for fun, and then released it to the wild for free when it wasn't fun anymore.

Best of everything to you.

Ah man, this is a sad day indeed! I've been using Classic Shell since version 2. I use it on Windows 7 for the extras, like Classic IE, but would you believe I also use Classic Shell's Start Menu (in Windows 7 skin) on Windows 7? That's right, I use Classic Shell instead of the native menu even tho they look identical - Turned out there is a bug with Kaspersky and the Start Menu that does not happen when using Classic Shell. The day I switched from the native menu to Classic Shell's, I donated; it was worth every penny I gave. Dearly hope someone else picks-up maintenance. I agree that Microsoft is making everyone's job a major pain in the behind with their ridiculous re-compile of the entire OS every 6 months; everything breaks! And for what? So that Windows looks and feels and programs like a smartphone! Better stop here or I will rant all night...

Hi Ivo,
very sorry to read your decision, but understandable nonetheless. As fascinating as information technology may be it is eating it's children on the way. Myself coming from network admin over webdeveloper to consultant say... go, get a life

No really IT still IS fun but ClassicShell is a full grown project now and I can understand totally that you want to move on after eight years of commitment. Thank you very much for caring.

I Hope some people will take up the ball. I'd also be glad to pay for it.

Ralf

Wonderful piece of software. I've been using it since the launch of Win8. Over time it has become a natural part of my system configuration and only occasional updates reminded me that it wasn't actually a part of the OS.

Thank you very much for Classic Shell.

I wish you the best.

Hi,

New registered just for a few words.

I've installed it on so many computers (family, friends, colleagues). It's like f.lux : I can't imagine to see any windows OS without them.
I've even received sometimes some obscure emails to ask me "could you install on my new laptop this thing for the menu ?" => Yeah, I know what you mean, no problem

So, in my name and so many others around me, we are enormously grateful for your work and dedication.
Thanks.

I understand. Windows 10 is awful.

Very sad, but not unexpected news... I understand you reasons really well.

I used Windows 10 only a couple of days until now.
The first to install it (the last day which it was "free", last year).
The last to update to FCU.
In the meanwhile to disable and change to my liking what is still possible to tweak.
I had no problem at all, but I really dislike what Microsoft is doing.

I still use Windows 7 Pro, and, if this is the trend with every "new" update, I'll have to find another OS, maybe Linux, who knows...

Thanks Ivo for all, anyway.

Very sorry to see you go.

I'm a developer as well, and I have to imagine that many users of classic shell are as well. Perhaps community maintenance of the project on github will be viable. I'll certainly contribute if I'm able.

Well it's not my problem because I don't use Windows 10 and I never will. I have got no intention whatsoever of ever installing Windows 10. But I do use Windows 7 and 8 and find I do need a start menu on 8.

I am very sorry that you have decided to discontinue Classic Shell. I have never used Windows 10 but have heard it's terrible. Not like Windows 7 or 8 at all. I understand the problems with Windows 10 but there are plenty of people like me who don't use 10. And still use Windows 8 who need to have a start menu.

I am going to carry on using Classic Shell on my Windows 8 even after it is discontinued. Because I have looked at other start menu options but the other software is not as good as Classic Shell.
Classic Shell is very much like the Windows XP and 7 start menu but other software is not quite the same.

So I am staying with Classic Shell no matter what.

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Andrea Borman.

Thanks for Classic Shell. I'm using it from Windows 7 and now is 10 and I still prefer it instead original cause never is more convenient than Windows XP Start Menu. Ribbons and other modern stuff may be beautiful and stylish, but classic menus is much more convenient. Good luck to you and really big thank you again. I hope Classic Shell will continued to live once became open source.

Classic Shell is, for me, an essential piece of software. I install it on every computer I use! Even virtual machine's I only need for an hour, Classic Shell is the first thing I install.

I'm so sad to see this WONDERFUL product coming to an end. But I do feel your pain. I am sad to see Windows moving away from Win32 as well.

Thanks for the great program and hopefully this project will live on in some form or another.

No classic shell = no Windows 10, or 8. Those products are UNUSABLE for anyone who wants to control their own software.Thanks Ivo you helped so many people.

Thank you for your work, Ivo. Even if I no longer use it myself, I'm still sad to see Classic Shell go. For many years it was my go-to for anything that had Windows 8.x or newer on it. Heck, once my parents upgraded their computers to Windows 10, I set them up with it, and they loved it too.

Beyond even that, your product inspired me. Classic Shell was pretty much my introduction to the very idea that the Windows operating system can be modified, and my entry point to taking part in such Customizations. Eventually it even inspired me to start developing my own menu, which is kind of exploding into something bigger now, but I won't get too far into that here.

Thank you for what you've done for all of us for all these years. Your efforts and source code won't go to waste, that's for sure. I promise.





I don't mean to be that guy who takes advantage of others' misfortune here, but I would hope that those mourning the impending end of Classic Shell, such as you two, may take some comfort in knowing that, as said above, I've been developing a Shell thing of my own, entitled Start9. But again, I won't get too far into that here. Anyone interested, PM me for more info, either on this forum, or via a note on DeviantArt, for once this forum is shut down.

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I'm sorry for getting your hopes up, only to shatter them. Best wishes, wherever you're all headed next.

Hello. I am a huge Windows enthusiast since the earliest releases of Windows, and helped with Classic Shell's testing and usability/UX feedback. Why my interest in Classic Shell's development is ending is: Windows 10 is an unacceptable monstrosity the way it is currently designed. It continually updates with bloated updates and disrupts all your settings, breaks or uninstalls previously installed apps and resets your carefully fine tuned environment.

Windows 10's biggest problem is unstoppable BLOATED updates. They are so BLOATED that Microsoft is not comfortable showing their size, they deleted the size from the UI and is reserving separate disk space for updates! So you have no idea how much MB/GB you are exactly downloading on a regular basis. Windows 10 has been the biggest disappointment ever because Microsoft has turned a deaf ear towards most of their user base and is completely disrespecting and ignoring what they are asking for. No one ever asked for Windows-as-a-Service delivering constant huge updates that disrupt your carefully tuned set-up.

Classic Shell has been fixing and enhancing Windows since Nov. 2009 (It was made to fix Windows 7 and even Windows Vista shell problems) but with each successive release of Windows, it becomes harder to use the functionality you had earlier. Plus Windows 10 is a tremendous internet bandwidth burden on everyone. The frequency and size of updates is a joke and a huge disruption to an existing system on which Windows has been installed and carefully fine-tuned. It is pointless to even try to improve an OS when its own developer is making things worse and less customizable and so disruptive as part of their planned obsolescence. Microsoft is no longer maintaining proper continuity of features in new releases of Windows. They are just arbitrarily adding new features without even considering how bloated and *seriously unproductive* their updates have become. Changes happen in Windows 10 without any fixes coming for the regressions they caused fundamentally by their flawed design.

If the nature of Windows changes in the future from a service, back to a product, that doesn't bombard you with tremendously bloated, intrusive, disruptive, rude, worthless updates that leave you with no real control, and if it gives you sufficient freedom to tweak or keep the features you like, and if any fork of Classic Shell happens from the code released on SourceForge/GitHub, then I am definitely interested in testing it again. However at the moment, Windows 10 is such a nightmare that it makes no sense to develop a quality app for it. Why waste time on fixing utter crap like Windows 10 when its user experience is intentionally broken or crippled by Microsoft? Even if some other developer takes up the Classic Shell project, it just doesn't improve the horrible core Windows experience in any way. Out-of-control bloat-filled updates make the OS waste your bandwidth, storage space and time continuously and are an epic pain to deal with as they will reset everything each time it upgrades or break something with untested poor quality updates. It is highly unlikely that Windows will get any better unless the management changes at Microsoft to focus on the quality of the user experience, which would mean adding only the essential features, keeping updates very small and the OS itself very compact as it used to be, relatively speaking. In publicly traded companies like Microsoft with multiple million-dollar businesses, it's only about keeping the investors happy. They stopped caring about customers a long time ago when they had no competitors left for Windows running on PCs. Mobile OSes made Windows less popular but did nothing to break the PC monopoly.

For 10 years since Windows Vista, Microsoft has been unable to develop a decent servicing mechanism to update Windows. They don't recognize that it's slow, broken and causes issues with the way updates are handled. Windows XP was the last decent release in many respects, one of which was a decent updating mechanism. On top of that, the quality of code and features delivered by Windows 10's updates is very poor. And that is just the tip of the ice berg. There are so many problems with Windows 10 under the new management that I can't even begin to list them. The UI is broken. It is designed by amateurs with no consideration for usability or productivity. But despite horrible flaws, only a small subset of its users seem to care and the rest are accepting anything that Microsoft offers them, they have no idea about the bloat. It doesn't make any sense to build an intelligent productivity-focused free app like Classic Shell with so much effort and attention to detail if the majority doesn't care about productivity and if the UX is such a nightmare for everyone, including us. You can choose to stay with Windows 7 or 8.1 where it should continue to work for years. Right now, Microsoft keep on adding new features but breaking old ones - they do that on purpose because they think that's the only way to keep the OS business going, but they're only going around in circles, few people really like Windows 10. When Microsoft brings back Windows to a reasonable level of productivity, usability, and solid, steady improvements, then it might be worthwhile to make something like Classic Shell for it. You deserve to have full control over your PC's operating system, you deserve to have your time not wasted in stupid crap, and the right to reject what you don't see as progress or improvement. Right now, you don't have these on Windows 10 or Windows-as-a-Service.

Size and quality matter, your time and productivity also matter. Bloat sucks - it's just a way to make you buy new hardware more regularly and waste your time. So until Microsoft gets their act together, adios.

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Links to some general topics:

● Compare Start Menus

● Read the Search box usage guide.

I am a Windows enthusiast and helped a little with Classic Shell's testing and usability/UX feedback.

windows 10 su***

i was crying a little bit about 5 minutes last night because of end of development

i really want you go back in development but no needs to release for win10 Fall Creators Update

Win10 Anniversary Update got extended support until 2023

If you do ever re-consider, and perhaps go to a paid version - you have my support. I have already donated twice, and am happy to pay a little more if it keeps ClassicShell going.

Yes, I would definitively be interested in a paid version too - even if it is released "as a service"!

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Windows 10 Pro x64

That's why I really HATE StartIsBack!!!

I will RECOMMENDED Classic Shell!!!

Well the answer is simple.

DON'T upgrade to Windows 10.

Stick with Windows 7 and 8 as I am doing.

I don't understand why people are using Windows 10 as it is so terrible.

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Andrea Borman.

a good chunk of people were upgraded 'automatically' while they were away
a good chunk of people bought systems pre-installed with Windows 10
a good chunk of people don't have the technical skills, or care (because it does facebook just fine)
a good chunk of people fell for the hype train and found out it isn't as bad as it seems.

Personally, I agree with the constant updates, in an attempt to make the OS the best it can be out of the box. Sadly this means it has to break 3rd party mods.. but you can always turn off non-critical updates and then these breaking changes simply won't roll out automatically...
I also like windows 10 better than windows 8/8.1, however I would prefer windows 7, with exception to 1-2 critical feature, though 10 is good enough, that Ill keep it..

Yes you and I and some others on this forum are smart enough to understand that Windows 10 is crap and won't ever "upgrade" to it. But not everyone. There's not enough time and resources to convince everyone in the world how crap it is. Most people don't care as long as it does their tasks like Facebook and email and games, while some are of the opinion that they must obey/comply with any change that Microsoft does because they blindly trust Microsoft to always take the best decision for them. So even if the Windows team might be full of incompetent or dishonest people, it makes no difference to the company's bottom line. They have worked with PC manufacturers and their partners to eradicate Windows 7 and 8.1 from the market. For example, without the necessary drivers, you won't be able to properly run Windows 7 or 8.1 on newer hardware. Without Windows Update supported officially on newer CPUs (which it isn't), it won't be patched or updated. Microsoft can force Windows 10 as long as people tolerate their nonsense. But it looks like a lot of people are not tolerating their nonsense which is why PC sales are down for so long. There are ways to do many tasks without a PC (mobile devices) and that's exactly what people are choosing.

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Links to some general topics:

● Compare Start Menus

● Read the Search box usage guide.

I am a Windows enthusiast and helped a little with Classic Shell's testing and usability/UX feedback.

In what ways?

Even if i personnaly don't intend to change from Windows 7, there could be a technical reason to upgrade (i'm not concerned with).
The new AVX 512bits registers on new CPU (ZMMxx) (SkylakeX and future) are only supported on Windows 10. This concern very few people, mostly in video processing/encoding, but, this could be a reason to upgrade. To have access to theses features if the your program support them, you'll have to be under Windows 10.
As the "why" Windows 7 for exemple doesn't support them ? Just because they didn't exist at the time. Principal issue is multi-tasking and context saving, the OS can't save/restore registers he doesn't even know they exist.

First of all, thank you. This software is the first thing that I add to any install. I absolutely loved the options, the ability to see what I changed, and most importantly, how much of an improvement that it made on the usability of my machines.
I can totally understand your reasons for moving on, and wish you all the best. On a selfish level, I am totally bummed that this is the potential end of the road.
Have a great holiday season, and if you are ever bored, feel free to update it! (j/k)

I have an idea, maybe you could just join the microsoft team and fix it from the inside? That sounds like a good plan!


Thanks again,

DrFunny

Thank you very much for creating and maintaining such an excellent application for so long. Best wishes for the future.

I cannot express my thankfulness to Ivo Beltchev for this wonderful piece of software- Classic Shell. Without it I simply cannot imagine using Windows 8. Many thanks for all your great work throughout all these years! Good luck in all your future projects! Be happy!

I hope that Classic Shell will not die, that someone would take over the project and will at least maintain it.

nooooooooooooooooooooooo......
what are the alternatives?

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2399
and eventually start9 viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7568&start=50

Classic Shell was the only way Windows 7 and above were usable by me.

I've been using the classic start menu, status bar and every "classic" feature since I got into PCs. It's my workflow, I've been doing it for 2 decades now.

XP changed the start menu, kept classic features from 95/98 though; no problem.
Vista changed the UI, explorer, a lot.. but kept classic features.
Windows 7? Despite the pointless UI change (beta taskbar, horrendous 'painting' lag), it removed all "classic" feature support, despite being extremely similar to Vista (which even got DX11 support that W7 had). It was at that point using Windows became a nightmare, and I stayed on Vista for many many years. Applications started breaking, then Intel dropped support for it, forcing me to upgrade to 7 to even use newer PC hardware.
8? 8 changed so much I didn't even bother with it. I had to fix a laptop with it and Windows 8 made me want to smash it to bits.

And now Windows 10.. the apparent 'final' version of windows. The version they forced on everyone even though they didn't want it. So many atrocities committed, so much underhandedness. And still full, full, full of issues. Even the FCU is full of issues and I was forced to just rollback, then W10 decided to auto-update right after and break the whole damn thing.

Windows 10 is garbage, yet we're being forced to use it to stay up to date with hardware/software. W10's exclusive DirectX12 will become mainstream, open platform Vulkan will sit by the wayside; if you game, you'll be forced to use W10. If you upgrade your hardware, Intel/NVIDIA/AMD will eventually force you to use W10. I've already been forced into using 10 due to compatibility/performance issues with 7.

For the people who can switch to something like Linux, it's alright with them. For the vast majority who can't.. we're forced into using 10 whether we like it or not.

I dread the day when classic shell truly stops working.

Thank you for the years of development.

And thank you releasing the source code. I only question if it's too late..

Sad news, but completely understandable considering the amount of extra work I'm sure it involved. I'm definitely gonna miss this if no one else picks up the torch. I don't have the tech skills Thank you for all you put into this project and good luck with whatever you do next.