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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:53 pm 
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Splitwirez wrote:
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Just brain storming...



That having been said, Start9 is far from complete. A lot of the functionality I've described is not yet fully implemented, if at all. That's not to say we haven't made a fair degree of progress, though...





If you're interested, you can find us here: http://start9.menu/




Where can I download the executable?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:12 pm 
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skan wrote:
Where can I download the executable?

Evidently I didn't make it clear that when I said "Start9 is far from complete", I was implying that we don't have a release out yet.

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Splitwirez wrote:
A friend of mine and I have already been working in that direction for a little while now, in the form of a project called Start9. Not only is it an alternative shell, much like what you're proposing, but it's actually modular. This means that any developer can write a piece of shell, be it a Taskbar, Home Screen, File Manager, Application Launcher, or whatever else, and then the user can simply install these modules and arrange some of them in whatever configuration you like. The modules will be able to take advantage of our API to access Windows shell functionality, including undocumented stuff like Jump List info and Live Tiles...and we take care of the Windows Update maintenance. It's basically a build-your-own-shell kit, in more than one sense.

That having been said, Start9 is far from complete. A lot of the functionality I've described is not yet fully implemented, if at all. That's not to say we haven't made a fair degree of progress, though...


If you're interested, you can find us here: http://start9.menu/

Great! Sounds very promising, I will head on over and check it out.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:42 pm 
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Ivo, Really last version and stable version Windows 10 coming soon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRFV2DfUdY

Can you please go back in development????


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Ivo, Really last version and stable version Windows 10 coming soon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRFV2DfUdY

Can you please go back in development????



It has been taken over by GitHub - as Classic Start - check out links below for info:

https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-ne ... ce-36.html (Post 354)

http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details ... start.html

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Thank you Ivo for providing this program, I will really miss it when it won't work after some future big W10 upgrade! I think I can get used to the new W10 start menu eventually but I don't know how I'll manage without the Classic Explorer part of CS. I really like having the handy customisable Explorer buttons as I hate using the 'Ribbon'! Can anyone suggest a good alternative File Explorer program which I can customise? Thanks.


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Hey guys,

I have just tested the current version (4.4.128) of Open-Shell under Win 10 Pro and it runs wonderfully (and looks almost identical to Classic Shell).

If Open-Shell is further developed by thx_4_the_hard_wk and others, there will surely be updates for the next builds of Win 10 as well. So the handkerchiefs can be put away again.

My very best thanks to thx_4_the_hard_wk !!!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:42 am 
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I just read al of the messages on this thread, and I do agree: Many thanks to Ivo!

I installed the latest Windows 10 build 1809 and Classic Shell still works fine for me.

Reading all the messages also brought me to the new fork of Ivo's Classic Shell > Open-Shell-Menu

https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:05 pm 
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I've just read the post by Ivo and the one by Gaurav about Win 10. I could almost believe he was talking about Firefox Quantum. Same slimy disregard for the end-user.

I believe the vast majority of Windows users don't use online forums or belong to PC user groups, and just take whatever MS dishes out. Again and again I meet people who have never made a single modification on their system, and just know point-and-click on however the OS came out of the box. (Excluding the folks in my PC User Group.)

"What's wrong with 10, it works fine?"
"You don't see that MS is tracking you and that this OS will never be secure. It's also full of bloated garbage."
"I don't see that. It works fine for me"

I'm in a growing group who is staying with 7, but I don't know where we'll be when the A-V's stop supporting it, or when I can't use it for work any more. Likewise I'm staying with Firefox 52.9esr, for the same reason.

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bert07 wrote:
I just read al of the messages on this thread, and I do agree: Many thanks to Ivo!

I installed the latest Windows 10 build 1809 and Classic Shell still works fine for me.

Reading all the messages also brought me to the new fork of Ivo's Classic Shell > Open-Shell-Menu

https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/

The King is dead. Long live the King.


Bert, I don't know much about programming, but I just looked at Ivo's site. If it already works with Win10, would it still need more development before the next Windows (11?)

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It would absolutely break with a windows 11. though afaik they intend to upgrade windows 10 moving forward rather than focus on new operating system like windows 11. this includes adding new features and such.
Several insider versions of windows 10 HAVE already broken classic shell Compatibility; luckily the main version that most consumers are on is currently fine (but that could change any day).


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Even the Open-Shell fork is having problems keeping up with Windows 10 upgrades.
Below is part of a comment by XenHat on Open-Shell-Menu GitHub Issues thread:


XenHat commented 15 days ago
I have noticed these issues before but I put them on Microsoft's side because... Well, it's microsoft and they love to passively-aggressively break things when they're not happy. curious to see it's something caused by OS and relatively reproducible.
On a side node; yes, Open-Shell is having issues keeping up with Microsoft's updates. Modern settings are completely inaccessible to us mere mortals without serious Win32 API hacking skills and industry secrets. I honestly expect Open-Shell to be less and less usable as time goes by but we'll try to maintain what still works.






In my opinion (juniper7), Ivo is still the King


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juniper7 wrote:
Even the Open-Shell fork is having problems keeping up with Windows 10 upgrades.
Below is part of a comment by XenHat on Open-Shell-Menu GitHub Issues thread:


XenHat commented 15 days ago
I have noticed these issues before but I put them on Microsoft's side because... Well, it's microsoft and they love to passively-aggressively break things when they're not happy. curious to see it's something caused by OS and relatively reproducible.
On a side node; yes, Open-Shell is having issues keeping up with Microsoft's updates. Modern settings are completely inaccessible to us mere mortals without serious Win32 API hacking skills and industry secrets. I honestly expect Open-Shell to be less and less usable as time goes by but we'll try to maintain what still works.






In my opinion (juniper7), Ivo is still the King



Appreciate their efforts and you keeping us apprised of what is going on juniper7. Thanks!

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Open-Shell, : https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu


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Thanks for all your work!

Sadly, Microsoft is forcing everyone into a Mobile Phone-like Windows experience.

Evidence points to this being a joint-operation with the NSA to remove meddling with the internal workings of your computer, so that all we can do is stare at a flashy interface like 3 year-olds whilst being raped behind the scenes by the "tech-savvy" NSA that is in every other part of your computer.

I recently bought the Microsoft Office 2019 Professional Plus and guess what? yup, only works on Windows 10. Microsoft seems to hate Windows 7 users. This points directly to the NSA, and likely even Microsoft's own ambitions to become another Google.

Every release of Windows 10 works further to secure their stranglehold over us, and force us into submission, and into using an external, top-level interface like we're all in Star Trek or something and all we want to do is walk up to our computer and swipe something or press a large green icon to immediately get whatever we wanted done. So either they think they're aboard the Starship Enterprise, or they simply want to use the rest of the computer for covert spying, monitoring, surveillance, data mining, and information harvesting, and, most probably, for the Bot Net.

Yes, cats out of the bag, the creators of the Bot Net are actually the NSA, and they're streamlining all of our devices, mobile, tablet, Mac & now PC into their Bot Net, itself an integral extension of the Prism world-spying Program, to make every device an extension of their mainframe supercomputers, giving them the most computing power on planet earth, aka the bare minimum to spy on everyone on planet earth.

That's essentially how the new military technology operates as well, interconnecting every plane, boat, ship, tank, vehicle, troop, station and base where central control has full ability to access any of them at anytime, and take over and issue commands and fire weapons as needed, without anything done by the pilot or operators.

They're all about central control of everyone else's devices and tech. That's where all of America's most entitled people end up in their job search.

It probably also explains your hack. Trying to get rid of the hold-outs who aren't on board, because we haven't been beamed aboard, Scotty.

So yes, pay $1000-3000 for your system, by all means, and get access to the top 10% of your system, and allow the NSA to use the rest.

This is also the reason Phones no longer have removable batteries, as turning off your phone doesn't turn it off for the NSA, until your battery completely dies after a month.

Its the exact same power behind Google's own completely Opaque operating system.

They think we'll be pacified with Instagram and Facebook and funny fkn memes and hours of scintillating entertainment, like we're all 13-year old schoolgirls taking selfies and whoring ourselves for likes & followers on social media, and that all the rest of computing will be for their own spying and data harvesting.

They install their own people as CEO's and Upper Management, bit by bit, until eventually they have full operational and strategic control over companies like Microsoft, so they can then make vapid decisions rabidly attacking us, the long-time users, bullying and pushing us, like cattle, into a little fenced-in bullpen, where we fit neatly into their system of spying and utilizing our resources for their ends, turning America into some sort of joke circus, and making us all the clown performers.


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