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 Global announcement   Topic: Classic Shell no longer in development. Source code released

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:12 pm 

Replies: 169
Views: 2121738


Ivo, your product has singlehandedly buoyed up Windows. It is quite possibly the most truly useful add-on for Windows, well, probably ever. But I wonder... If you hadn't done it, and literally millions of people like me and the others around here hadn't found Classic Shell to be a way for everyone t...

 Forum: Feature Requests   Topic: Window Aero Glass?

 Post subject: Re: Window Aero Glass? Topic is solved
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:27 am 

Replies: 4
Views: 7209




:)

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Start Menu   Topic: Less Glass Opacity?

 Post subject: Re: Less Glass Opacity?
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:02 pm 

Replies: 3
Views: 4868


Sorry for the long delay...

Thanks.

Are the resources for the skin compiled in or are they modifiable?

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Start Menu   Topic: Less Glass Opacity?

 Post subject: Less Glass Opacity?
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:28 pm 

Replies: 3
Views: 4868


Hi guys, I don't seem to be able to reduce the menu glass opacity below a certain (quite opaque) level, nor make the menu color quite as deep blue as the Taskbar... http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/ForumPosts/Win10/14393/MenuGlassOpacity.png Should I be able to make the menu a more glassy than thi...

 Forum: Feature Requests   Topic: Win 10 Idea - Persistently Hide Quick access

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:37 am 

Replies: 10
Views: 13304


For what it's worth I've been using the "blank everything but the star" mod for quite a while, and I'm STILL not used to it. That wasted space at the top is simply an eyesore. That the Quick Access field can't be eliminated entirely is just another of Microsoft's utter failures! http://Noe...

 Forum: Classic Start Menu   Topic: Should I Update to 4.3.0 on my critical Win 8.1 workstation?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:58 pm 

Replies: 3
Views: 2574


Just to follow up...

I've had 4.3.0 on Windows 8.1 workstation under heavy use now for 2 weeks - zero glitches.

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Start Menu   Topic: Should I Update to 4.3.0 on my critical Win 8.1 workstation?

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:07 pm 

Replies: 3
Views: 2574


I generally like to keep up to date, but I also am a bit conservative. I presume the latest release been tested well on Win 8.1 - I know Gaurav runs Win 8.1 on his good computer. Right now Classic Shell 4.2.5 is running perfectly for me. I mean really perfectly - my system runs essentially for as lo...

 Forum: Classic Start Menu   Topic: Query About Network Access

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:15 am 

Replies: 3
Views: 2602


Per my observations usually it's a windows service running under svchost, System, or the Local Security Authority Service that do certificate revocation checks online. Only VERY rarely does Explorer try to communicate at all. That's what caught my eye. And I have SmartScreen completely disabled. Tha...

 Forum: Classic Start Menu   Topic: Query About Network Access

 Post subject: Query About Network Access
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:24 am 

Replies: 3
Views: 2602


Recently I observed Classic Shell doing an update check via an http: (port 80) request of http://www.classicshell.net. This was when I logged-in. This is fine, expected, and I've allowed it, but I would like to ask: I saw several other communications attempts by Explorer.exe happen in the same secon...

 Forum: Classic Explorer   Topic: A way to make drag/drop a Copy always by default?

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:35 pm 

Replies: 2
Views: 2632


Thank you Gaurav! Again you prove that you are a scholar and a gentleman!

One can be really into tweaking and still learn something new about Windows every day!

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Explorer   Topic: A way to make drag/drop a Copy always by default?

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:01 pm 

Replies: 2
Views: 2632


If you're on the same drive, in File Explorer a drag operation is a Move, while if you're dragging from one drive and onto another it becomes a Copy operation by default. This is nothing new, and I didn't just discover it. However, for the umpteenth time I managed to move a file instead of copying i...

 Forum: Feature Requests   Topic: Win 10 Idea - Persistently Hide Quick access

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:37 pm 

Replies: 10
Views: 13304


I don't know, there's something disturbing about an empty field with just a star. I'm not sure I like that workaround. But thanks for posting it.

-Noel

 Forum: Bug Reports   Topic: Seeing 2 Sec Delay after clicking Start Before Menu Shows

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:30 pm 

Replies: 16
Views: 7425


FINALLY! FOUND IT! ProcMon finally showed it clearly. It wasn't Pictures, it was Favorites . A long time ago I experimented by making the Favorites folder under my username on my VM into a reparse point using MKLINK /D, so that it would point to my host system's Favorites folder. I'd forgotten to un...

 Forum: Bug Reports   Topic: Seeing 2 Sec Delay after clicking Start Before Menu Shows

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:24 pm 

Replies: 16
Views: 7425


Saw one delay just now. I did not set up any special monitoring and just clicked the Start button on an otherwise quiet system to shut it down. This time I caught Classic Shell failing to access 184.167.173.1 port 80 (Explorer tried to access http://www.ClassicShell.net, presumably to check for upda...

 Forum: Bug Reports   Topic: Seeing 2 Sec Delay after clicking Start Before Menu Shows

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:02 pm 

Replies: 16
Views: 7425


Hm, I have been trying all day to capture the problem in ProcMon and it's not been cooperating. After your second confirmation that the problem might somehow be related to my Pictures folder, I went looking there (I don't normally use that, AT ALL). There were 3 subfolders, and within one of them wa...

 Forum: Bug Reports   Topic: Seeing 2 Sec Delay after clicking Start Before Menu Shows

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:15 pm 

Replies: 16
Views: 7425


No, this system is too fast for there to be a 3 second delay in doing anything. The VM has 16 virtual processors and runs from an SSD array. Plus the problem occurs after leaving it alone for a while. Nothing is causing the cache to flush. Here's another sequence of dumps. I believe either the 2nd o...

 Forum: Bug Reports   Topic: Seeing 2 Sec Delay after clicking Start Before Menu Shows

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:50 pm 

Replies: 16
Views: 7425


I coded up a little app (with help from the good folks at StackOverflow) to dump out the status of the drive. It shows the one and only virtual drive - C: - is powered-up the whole time. So it's not some kind of virtual power-down state. // DrivePowerStateCheck.cpp : Defines the entry point for the ...

 Forum: Bug Reports   Topic: Seeing 2 Sec Delay after clicking Start Before Menu Shows

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:22 am 

Replies: 16
Views: 7425


The Pictures folder itself is intact, though I have hidden it from display under "This PC" in the Navigation pane by tweaking the registry (I can look up the specifics if you'd like; I don't remember them off the top of my head - I think it was a matter of setting an IsPinnedToNamespaceTre...

 Forum: Bug Reports   Topic: Seeing 2 Sec Delay after clicking Start Before Menu Shows

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:16 pm 

Replies: 16
Views: 7425


OK, that strategy worked. I thought to start the dump sequencing process before clicking the Start button, and sure enough caught a delay. I believe I clicked the Start button around the time of dump 1 being created and the menu opened around the time of dump 3. Here's the lot of them: http://Noel.P...

 Forum: Bug Reports   Topic: Seeing 2 Sec Delay after clicking Start Before Menu Shows

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:36 pm 

Replies: 16
Views: 7425


Sorry I haven't had time to do a series of dumps so far. I had 5 minutes but failed to Here's a copy of my Win 10 settings: http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/temp/Menu_Settings.zip This really is feeling like some kind of "virtual drive spin-down", since it's NEVER reproducible a second t...

 Forum: Bug Reports   Topic: Seeing 2 Sec Delay after clicking Start Before Menu Shows

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:41 pm 

Replies: 16
Views: 7425


I've used a lot of debugging aids, but procdmp is new to me. Do you have a link?

EDIT: Never mind - I see: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=6

-Noel

 Forum: Bug Reports   Topic: Seeing 2 Sec Delay after clicking Start Before Menu Shows

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:34 pm 

Replies: 16
Views: 7425


Win 10 build 10240, updated. This seems to have grown in probability since I first reported it against the beta. It happens a lot now. I can pretty much count on a few second delay if I haven't clicked on the Start button recently. It will always pop open instantly on another second click done short...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: [4.2.4] full-size offset for sub-folders disables in win10

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:02 pm 

Replies: 8
Views: 11831


For what it's worth, with a 3 monitor setup (all 100 ppi, all set to 100% display scaling) I can't reproduce the problem. The two monitors on the sides are turned up sideways (i.e., so they're taller than they are wide). Entire desktop is 4960 x 1600 pixels, display card is ATI Radeon HD 7850. -Noel

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:33 am 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


Run works okay in 4.2.4 without the CompatibilityFixes setting.

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: Intermittent delay in showing the Start Menu

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:01 pm 

Replies: 8
Views: 10627


OK, I'll try those things. It's a bit slow to test since it doesn't happen all the time. My normal setup: ClassicShell button is mine, derived from your shell. AV software is Microsoft's Defender. Running processes minimized. When nothing much is running, they number in the mid to high 40s. Search b...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: Intermittent delay in showing the Start Menu

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:11 am 

Replies: 8
Views: 10627


Nope, unchecking the box even though it was disabled at a higher level made no difference.

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: Intermittent delay in showing the Start Menu

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:29 pm 

Replies: 8
Views: 10627


That was turned off long ago. I should clarify... That particular box was actually checked, but the Show recent or frequent programs setting was set to "Don't show", so the box was grayed out. I've unchecked it now and returned back to the "Don't show" setting, and will report ba...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: Intermittent delay in showing the Start Menu

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:10 pm 

Replies: 8
Views: 10627


Hi Ivo, I didn't think there was much chance I'd be able to capture the problem, but incredibly I just managed it. I remembered to start Procmon just prior to pressing the Start orb, saw a several second delay, then stopped the event capture. You can download the Procmon event list here: Filtered on...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: Intermittent delay in showing the Start Menu

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:59 pm 

Replies: 8
Views: 10627


Has anyone else seen an occasional several second delay in opening the Classic View Start Menu on Win 10 after the Start button is pressed? I have SSDs, so there's no chance of it being a disk spinning up. Nothing should really be taking several seconds to become ready. Can't say I ever experienced ...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:54 am 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


Thanks, Ivo. If I uncover anything else about this particular issue that makes my system special somehow I'll be sure to let you know.

I'll be sure and remove the CompatibilityFixes tweak. Thanks for the tip.

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:26 pm 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


I'm sorry that wasn't more helpful. But at least whatever you're doing with that setting is working around the problem. That should help you narrow the reasons down. Please let me know what else I can test for you. -Noel Oh, and P.S., the Windows Start Menu won't even open at all in this configurati...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:21 am 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


Here you go:

-Noel

 Forum: Feature Requests   Topic: Win 10 Idea - Persistently Hide Quick access

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:11 am 

Replies: 10
Views: 13304


FYI, I have still found no method for removing Quick Access persistently without causing the unwanted side effect of breaking Drag And Drop in the Navigation pane.

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:02 am 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


Sorry for the delay in responding.

Did what you suggested, and... Success!



-Noel

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:23 pm 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


Sorry to say, nope - Run does not presently seem to do anything at all. I select it but the menu just disappears and no Run box pops up. I've even got the latest Windows Updates as of just a little while ago. The only thing particularly special about my system is that I'm running it with UAC disable...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:26 pm 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


And it again facilitates translucency when used with Aero Glass. Thanks for that.

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:20 pm 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


10240 has no blur in the Taskbar, by the way.

-Noel

 Forum: Feature Requests   Topic: Win 10 Idea - Persistently Hide Quick access

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:02 am 

Replies: 10
Views: 13304


You're right, I was changing the HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT value. It hadn't occurred to me to create a new key under the user-specific area. Thanks for the idea. However, when I do that for me it re-invokes the problem with drag and drop. It's possible something else I have done has caused this, or that som...

 Forum: Feature Requests   Topic: Win 10 Idea - Persistently Hide Quick access

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:37 am 

Replies: 10
Views: 13304


Build 10162... http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/ForumPosts/Win10/10162/WQuickAccess.png I have tried everything to eliminate the visibility of Quick access from the File Explorer Navigation pane. I don't need it and I don't want it. The only method that works comes with a bad side effect: Changing...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: Can't run application with a parameter from the search box

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:33 pm 

Replies: 8
Views: 14588


Since 10162 went in as an upgrade, most of the customizations were already there. Unfortunately it didn't start working. I plan to do a clean install of the GA version when it comes out. I'll track whether Run works on a virgin system and assuming it does, then what I tweak that causes it to fail. I...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: Can't run application with a parameter from the search box

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:42 pm 

Replies: 8
Views: 14588


Well, I *had* 10159 (x64), but Microsoft has seen fit to send out another one. Seems like all my time any more doing is in reworking the config settings I like after new builds reset most of it. I'll let you know if 10162 (or whatever this new one is going in now) allows the run prompt to come up. A...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: Can't run application with a parameter from the search box

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:49 am 

Replies: 8
Views: 14588


OK, on the first item, I now realize the "See more results" entry comes from the [ ] Search files box being checked. It's also checked on my Win 8.1 system, but I keep the search indexer disabled, so it was non-functional (and showing a red mark). However, the Run box is still non-function...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: Can't run application with a parameter from the search box

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:41 am 

Replies: 8
Views: 14588


Up to build 10074 (I think - I could be off a few builds), I could run an application with a parameter from the Search box or Run option in Classic Shell. Now the addition of a parameter causes an Explorer window to open with a failed search. As an example, I have a small application that pops up a ...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:33 pm 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


Yes, the problem remains without Aero Glass in the system at all. I meant to say that in my last post, since you had asked, but just forgot. I don't expect you to do or fix anything; I'm just here to try to help. Maybe it's just a bug in Microsoft's code and not worth any worry at all - though I am ...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:15 am 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


One of you claims the OS provides it and the other shows how you can tweak a secret registry location to achieve it. EVEN IF everyone could do that, isn't the whole point of Classic Shell to bring back functionality without having to fool with the registry? That some folks don't see the blur behind ...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:35 pm 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


I don't mean to be picky, but transparency is not the same as translucency, which involves blur. The ability to select transparency is there, but not blur. As I mentioned, not everyone's getting builds that have blur. I believe they're looking to find out which userbase submits happier responses (an...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: "Disable taskbar transparency" missing in 4.2.2 for Win 10

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:22 am 

Replies: 23
Views: 28267


With Big Muscle's Aero Glass package and a Windows 10 installation that does not itself blur the Taskbar, I find it's impossible to get Taskbar blur with Classic Shell version 4.2.2. Not a big deal, but perhaps unintended. As far as I know, there's no promise yet that Microsoft is actually going to ...

 Forum: Classic Shell 4.0 beta   Topic: Companies that use Classic Shell.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:24 pm 

Replies: 1
Views: 7348


We use it and love it here at ProDigital Software - a small software business. Back when the sources were available I fully vetted the program.

This is a product that's better implemented than Microsoft's own code.

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Start Menu   Topic: Classic Shell on Windows 10

 Post subject: Re: Windows 10 Compatible ?
Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 3:42 am 

Replies: 217
Views: 1301254


When you speak of corruption, could that be related to the visual noise that seems to be there in Windows Vista mode when the buttons are fading-in/out? I disabled the fade-out and things look better.

-Noel

 Forum: Classic Start Menu   Topic: Classic Shell on Windows 10

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 3:22 am 

Replies: 217
Views: 1301254


FYI, 10074 has the same problem.

-Noel
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